At this website (http://www.rlcresearch.com/video-page/) there are posted Henry Lincoln's first BBC programmes about the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau. Entitled 'The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem?' I watched the four part postings for the first time a few days ago. I was interested to see what Lincoln had had to say about Rennes-le-Chateau all those years ago.
In the Part Two posting of the film Lincoln was speculating that Sauniere may have left clues in his church regarding the nature of any 'treasure' he may have found. In fact, Lincoln said, the clues to the treasure were the 'church itself'.
As part of these studies Lincoln analysed the tableau at the back of the church, the one sometimes called the Fleury tableau and which i have illustrated below:
Lincoln advocated a kind of modern day 'catchphrase' system of analysis ['Catchphrase' is currently a progamme on TV where popular catchphrases are represented by a piece of animation and from the animation clues the catchphrase is to be identified] - where you simply 'say what you see'. So on this Fleury tableau what is mainly seen is a flower strewn landscape, a Terrain Fleury if you will .... or, if we called it a 'flowery hill' - the colline fleurie.
Lincoln wondered if Sauniere might have been trying to indicate the Fleury domains via this tableau with this flower strewn hill.
The Fleury's were important local lords of the area of Rennes-le-Chateau and Rennes-les-Bains. They are widely felt to be involved in the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau. A famous Fleury intimately linked to the 'mystery' for example is one Paul Urbain de Fleury, who is said to have donated a mysterious painting of Christ to the church at Rennes-les-Bains. The Fleury's also married into the Blanchefort/Hautpoul family .... (for example, Paul-François-Vincent de Fleury, co-Sgr de Caux, Sgr de Rennes-les-Bains, Montferrand, Bézis, marquis de Blanchefort in the diocèse of Alet, married 13 sept. 1767 Marie-Anne-Gabrielle-Élisabeth d’Hautpoul, daughter of François d’Hautpoul, baron
de Rennes-les-Bains, Sgr de Montferrand, Bézis, marquis de Blanchefort). The Blancheforts are central to the Priory of Sion version of the Sauniere story, in particular Marie de Hautpoul Blanchefort and her alleged tombstone - which is where the modern incarnation of the Sauniere 'story' starts.
Lincoln continues - asking whether this Fleury hill is therefore important because Sauniere has depicted on the hill a purse of gold. Is the purse of gold a subtle hint that a treasure is buried here?
I wasnt quite sure why Lincoln would suggest the hill depicted on the Fleury tableau would be the land of the Fleury literally but all became clearer as the film progressed.
Lincoln looked at the landscape depicted to the left and right of the Fluery 'hill' - as pictured below:
Lincoln suggested that viewed from down in the valley of Rennes the vista and skyline seen is 'one [where we] can see the village of Rennes-le-Chateau [to the left] then on the skyline one can see a 'pointy hill' and to the right [of that] Coustaussa'. Was the 'pointy hill' between Rennes-le-Chateau and Coustaussa in the vista really the 'flowery hill' of the Fleury tableau? For Lincoln, this was all the more convincing because this part of the landscape just happened to be part of the old Fleury Estate.
Lincoln wonders - 'Does the purse on the fleury hill indicate to us a significant point on this 'pointy hill?'
As i followed up Lincoln's musings i looked at the video footage in the 'Lost Treasure of Jerusalem' and realised that this 'pointy hill' being shown to us was a very well known landmark in the Rennes area. It was ROQUE FUMADE.
There are two things to note. Firstly, i had always wondered where the Fleury estate was, so its interesting that Lincoln says it was in the vicinity of Roque-Fumade. Secondly Roque Fumade has been the site of some burial discoveries.
According to Louis FEDIE in (1880) - in his article called "RHEDAE - La Cité des Chariots" he refers to the area of Roque-Fumade as the place where burials were discovered. He wrote: "we note the recent discovery at a place called Roquefumade, near Rennes-le-Chateau, singly or in groups - several tombs at the bottom of a valley and .... all the same shape as the burials discovered at a place called La Capello. That is to say the burials were composed of large rough slabs juxtaposed, and the walls and lids formed an imitation of Merovingian tombs. These tombs, [although imitating Merovingian tombs] correspond to .... those that exist in the northern and central parts of France which date back to a time that in the Narbonnaise corresponds to the installation of the Visigoths in Narbonne".
There seems to be some doubt expressed by Fedie - seemingly around how Merovingian looking tombs could be found in an area in the south of France dated to a time that was dominated by the Visigoths. Fedie also refers to a place called La Capello, where other burials had been found which were similar to those at Roque Fumade (i.e. Merovingian).
And where was this La Capello?
Again, according to Fedie - "It was on this site that stood the Visigothic camp, the embryo of a powerful city. There is abundant evidence to mark the exact place ................. Scattered remnants of substructures in the soil, brick hooks and shards of ancient pottery
that have been exhumed, the remains of weapons leave no doubt about that. Until recently, two years ago, a resident of the village of Rennes-le-Chateau, making a trench for the construction of a wall, discovered a large slab which was raised and found a host of human bones. It was a pile of debris - skeletons enclosed on four sides by large slabs. The depth of this ossuary could not be verified because we hastened to put in place the slabs that covered the hole, so the bones were treated with great respect. Where the discovery was made, it is called in the patois of the region, La Capello."
According to Gerard de Sede, La Capello was associated with some kind of third church or 'holy place' in Rennes-le-Chateau.
JP Pourtal says that 'The citadel was divided into three neighbourhoods that still exist in the current village and carry the same names translated in the local dialect. The first called Castrum Valens, on the east side, is now called Castel de Balent. The second, located in the south, was called Castrum Salassum, today Salassum. Finally, the third designated by the name of Capella is called the Capello. The first quarter called Castrum Valens, drew its name from a fortified gate at the entrance of the fortress on the east side, ie on the side most exposed to enemy attacks, as it faced the plain. Visiting the places, it is easy to find traces of the fortress Castrum Valens".
Interestingly this La Capella area was mentioned by Noel Corbu in one of his many scripts about the 'treasure of Rennes'. He wrote:
"Marie herself took a walk in the cemetery and suddenly her attention was drawn by a very old tomb. The stone bore inscriptions, which had always seemed strange to her. The words were cut with no rhyme or reason. Was it that one? She called
the priest, who noted down the whole text and during the evening they had a go. Suddenly he found the combination. The treasure was theirs. There were six points of entry, the one in the keep was the easiest, but where was the keep? Everything had been razed to the ground. Yes, but on one side of one of the parchments there were some lines and these lines must start from the main altar.
The lines were height measurements and were oriented in relation to the church. Marie and the priest burned with fever. It was two o’clock in the morning. In the village everyone was asleep, so they did not hesitate. They took some ropes, which they measured carefully and spread them as indicated by the lines on the plan. It was very cold, the wind blew, but they did not care. The ropes
intersected in the middle of a spot known as la Capella, the Château. It was an empty piece of land, but it was too late to carry on because the peasants were starting to get up.
The following night the priest and Marie, who had carefully noted where the place was, began to dig. Forty centimetres into the soil they found a stone slab. They got it free. It had a rusty ring at its centre. With the help of crowbars, they managed to raise it. A dark staircase appeared."
Later, Corbu suggests Sauniere bought land around the place of this La Capella writing: The priest bought some pieces of land around the presbytery including the one on which he found the slab.
Fédié continues: "What we now call the Salasso is an esplanade, a threshing floor for threshing grain, a platform that communicates on the south side by a steep escarpment, with the plain where the town was built. There are layers of masonry indicating that at that point there was another fortress - whose presence is confirmed by a local legend - that connected the city with the stronghold.This legend adds that after the destruction of the city, the stronghold, which was well defended, survived several centuries, and that the fortress .... used as a powder magazine, caught fire during a siege and exploded causing the destruction of an entire district and a part of the ramparts. Finally, you can see in the third quarter - that of Capello called the vestiges of an ancient church....."
One wonders then if the Plantard/Cherisey team were aware of this
- because later, in a publication by Louis Vazart (Vazart was part of the Plantard/Cherisey team for a few years) the area of Roque Fumade becomes the place where the tombs of BERA V and HILDERIC I were found. This Bera and Hilderic were alleged to be descendants of Sigebert IV and his wife 'Magdala'. For the Vazart team also, earlier descendants Sigebert IV, Sigebert V and Bera III were interred in the church at Rennes-le-Chateau.
This is important in the Priory of Sion mythology about the survival of the Merovingian line via Dagobert II.
One wonders if the Fedie article detailing some Merovingian type tombs found in the vicinity of Rennes-le-Chateau was enough to spur them on to the idea of Merovingian descendants in Septimania? All pretty fascinating considering Lincoln identifies this Roque Fumade as the pointy hill which was part of the Fleury estate and an area that might be being suggested by the Fleury tableau in the church at Rennes-le-Chateau!
Update added 30th May 2013:
At the following website http://www.gralssuche.org/forschungsberichte/der_geheimnisvolle_roque_fumade.html
the authors make some interesting observations detailed below:
"In all our deliberations we came across the following strange phenomenon; When considering the altarpiece in the church of Rennes-le-Château [we decided] that "Roque Fumade" was directly depicted in that same altar - that is the acute mountain behind Mary Magdalene in her cave, painted pretty much exactly the same as the form of the "Roque Fumade" ..... a view from the east or northeast".
"Different research teams discovered recently that in the area under the "Roque Fumade" a system of tunnels stretch, which begins near the area "Encantado"1 and probably once led up to Rennes-le-Château. However, it is elsewhere written that in these underground caverns in ancient times also gold or other precious metals may have been degraded. Through this activity, of course smoke had arisen, which spread throughout the tunnel system and also used as a correspondingly "air channels" crevices and was ultimately came to light at the "Roque Fumade". Also a plausible explanation for the name of the "smoking rock!"
Another theory states that the "Roque Fumade" was a sacred place. The smoke came from a cavern beneath the rock, in which Mary Magdalene lived with their children!"
1) Louis Fédié in his "Etude historique sur le Haut-Razès" pages 45-47-48 refers to this Encantado area. He writes:
Finally, in Claire Corbu and Antoine Captier's "L'héritage de l'abbé Saunière" they write: "L'Encantado fait parti du ruisseau des couleurs où Bérenger Saunière allait jouer enfant et où plus tard il allait chercher des pierres sur une parcelle achetée au nom de Marie Denarnaud" ("L'Encantado is part of the stream of couleurs where Saunière would play as a child and later where he went to look for stones on land purchased on behalf of Mary Denarnaud.")
All of this may be relevant in a quote made by Chantal BUTHION (daughter of Henri Buthion) in an interview she gave. She said:
"Indeed, he [Sauniere] was a native of Espéraza and had been aware of the mystery of Rennes-Le-Chateau. Villagers told me, 'Bérenger Saunière and a friend, burrowed a tunnel, which led them from Espéraza to RLC, are these statements true?
There is no smoke without fire! What is certain is that Beranger Saunière had been, since childhood, also attracted by this riddle...." (Chantal Buthion, www.rennes-le-chateau.org/pdf/c-buthion)
Perhaps Saunière and his friend did not dig the tunnel from Esperaza to Rennes-le-Chateau (patently impossible) but were investigating Encantado and Roque Fumade? (folk memory by locals who observed the activity of our famous priest? After all Corbu and Captier had referred to Saunière playing as a child at Encantado). Who knows?
This is taken from the following site: http://toutsurlheraldique.blogspot.fr/2010_09_05_archive.html but i read about it at the website of Catherine Pierdat (http://newsoftomorrow.org/histoire/affaire-rennes-le-chateau/catherine-pierdat-lile-sacree-resumecommentaire) where there is a synopsis and commentary on a book she has wrote. I will detail this work on the 'Interview' page, HERE.
At the following website - http://regardsdupilat.free.fr/Lesecretdevoile.html - there is an interview with Christian Doumergue about his new book, The Secret Revealed: Investigating the enigmas of Rennes-le-Château. I have translated this into readable English, and as you can read, the new book sounds intriguing .....
Les Regards du Pilat (RduP): Christian Doumergue, some of our readers know you well. We have often mentioned your previous publications. Your new book, The Secret revealed: investigating the enigmas of Rennes-le-Château (published June 6, 2013, published by the Timely), is presented by the novelist Jacques Ravenna - co-author with Eric Giaccometti of the preface to your book - as a work which is "already dated." Can you tell us more?
Christian Doumergue: Through this book, I invite foremost a new perception of Rennes-le-Château. This is why it can make an impression: it leads you to totally rethink the way we look at the mystery of the "cure with billions." I think it's time to bring this story into a new phase of understanding. This new understanding is based on a total review of the facts, both those contemporary with Saunière and those that occurred long after his death. As in most cases we have long had a mistaken view of the facts. I think we are now able to approach the truth of these many episodes of this extraordinary story. For example, my research clearly identifies the group that funded Saunière. Similarly, meticulous work on the writings of Pierre Plantard (! Those relating to Rennes-le-Château and others) allows me to highlight an unsuspected symbolic dimension that enlightens the mind. These are two distinct things - a priori of course - but they are two pieces of the same puzzle ... We must therefore understand all the parts of the puzzle in resonance with each other ... This brings us to unquestionably redefine the story in its entirety.
RduP: What is this new interpretation of the case of Rennes-le-Château?
Christian Doumergue: From major factual lines: Berenger Sauniere was a priest who had found a treasure, but there was also something else, something much more modest than has been said and which does not explain all his expenses/activities.
On the other hand, Pierre Plantard, who took advantage of the rumour's revolving around Saunière, began to tell a story which was quite fantastic - it blended treasure, coded scrolls and secret societies ...the story, of course, which some think turned out to be just that, a story! However, as I show, it is a novel and story full of symbolisml!
How do these two sides - (i.e. Sauniere/Plantard) fit in the history of Rennes? That is the question - and the research induced by that response - that is the basis for the new interpretation of the case of Rennes that I propose ... Pierre Plantard used a true story (that of the Abbe Sauniere and his unusual life) to tell another story, just as authentic in a symbolic narrative. What he said in appearance must be understood symbolically. His subject is not Berenger Sauniere. It is something else: the culmination of a personal quest in which he was helped by some people. What he is talking about to the end has nothing to do with the treasure of Sauniere. The new interpretation
of the case of Rennes-le-Château that I propose, therefore, is not limited to a redefinition of events that took place on and around the Aude but also the end point of this story.
RduP: About this "end point", as you say, the conclusions may surprise people ... They are probably astonished as you have previously followed in the footsteps of Mary Magdalene, and the mysteries surrounding life and the disappearance of Jesus. Are you open to anything else ...
Christian Doumergue: Compared to my previous writings, this (latest book) could give the impression that I pass on to another topic. But this is not the case. There is a common thread in all of this: follow us through different stages. Mary Magdalene and the tomb of Christ were two of these steps. But there is something else after these milestones: something that asks us who really was the Christ and who are we? One of the last chapters of my book is called "Origins" - & is the question that confines the secret of Rennes-le-Château ... As for the surprising nature of the end of the story, yes, I say 'it's amazing!' But my argument is not an extrapolation. It is a strict interpretation of the facts at our disposal. This interpretation cannot be challenged: it demonstrates that in the 1960s, a small group of people seized the treasure rumour revolving around the case of Sauniere to place at the centre of that story another that had nothing to do with the reality of Sauniere. They created a myth to slip a message in about the discovery they had made in the region of Rennes-les-Bains, a discovery that goes beyond the tomb of Mary Magdalene. This, I repeat, can not be disputed. The only question about this is: where did these people draw their knowledge?
RduP: You have an idea?
Christian Doumergue: The Secret unveiled makes some suggestions ... and highlights a new key element of the experience of Pierre Plantard in Rennes-les-Bains. I can tell you that the truth of this story is even more amazing than anything we could imagine! The enigma of Rennes is really far from being a simple puzzle that we are trying to understand for entertainment. Admittedly, this is a story of treasure, with all that that connotes in us, starting with our dreams and childish and adolescent reading. But what I show in my book is that the mystery of Rennes - as it has been reshaped by Pierre Plantard in the 1960s - has been designed as an initiatory fable by insiders ... I insist on this term . Pierre Plantard did not happen by chance to be in the Haute Vallée de l'Aude. He followed a quest that had animated him since his young years. And he saw something!
RduP: The Secret revealed ... after this you will have nothing more to say?
Christian Doumergue: No - Secret unveiled is not a term. It just leads us to contemplate a new dimension to the story, & highlights its existence and invite's its exploration ... Whoever reads the book completely, will begin to see what I mean. Far from being over, the adventure is instead expected to continue. The case of Rennes is revealed gradually. This is due to its structure, which borders on the initiation. Pierre Plantard created a fable to initiate each player, who unwittingly becomes the hero. A hero who gradually discovers that the various chapters and levels of reading designed by the designer of the story ... It takes time to acclimatise his eyes. Mine took 20 years to understand the enigma of Rennes in these new hitherto unsuspected revelations. The effect is a very strong feeling when you get to this stage of the process: I like to compare it to the picture that suddenly emerges in an autostereogram once the eye is acclimatized. Invisible until something turns abruptly. This is what I felt in making the discoveries that I reported in my book. The purpose of the Secret is revealed is for the reader to open a door which he/she may not have even suspected existed .......
Thanks to regardsdupilat and congratulations to Christian Doumergue. Also thanks to Johan Netchacovitch who alerted me of the interview via Facebook .... I look forward to reading this intriguing new book .....
Johan Netchacovitch has posted on his site a fascinating review by Jean-Marie Villette on a new book by Jean-Alain Sipra. I have always enjoyed the research of Sipra and so was interested to read that Sipra had focused his latest research and attention on Henri Boudet and his book 'La Vrai Langue Celtique'. Sipra asks: "Did Boudet ..... use in its title (i.e. The True Celtique Language') an encryption celebrating the famous Fibonacci numbers and the Golden Ratio? Jean-Marie Villette gives an opinion suggesting that the work of Sipra revolves around an anagram code and relates it to the mathematical code of the Fibonacci numbers.
To read more about the new book see HERE. To read more about the general work of Sipra see HERE
Some interesting musings regarding the decoding of the famous 'Shepherds Monument' at Shugborough.
Nigel followed this up with some musings about Sauniere:
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